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Re: Obsolete things

Done. Thanks, HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 01:52, January 23, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Nargil pass

What the heck...  I don't remember doing that in the edit, but looking in History I did apparently. It is non-canonical. Thanks for pointing that out.  0_0   HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 22:39, February 3, 2019 (UTC)

Recent edits

Your recent edits to Crossings of Taeglin is almost identical to the same page seen in Tolkien gateway if this is a false accusation, please treat it as such, but if it isn't add their page in the references, please. (Melon1234 (talk) 23:25, February 11, 2019 (UTC))

Thank you for your swift response. I surely will take your words into consideration, until then, good day!!


He is adding random year numbers, so I've blocked him. Thanks! HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:06, February 12, 2019 (UTC)


As we know, many pages need revisions; but how do I know what to revise in order to make the page abide by wikis policies?

P.s. I have brought this question to the attention of user:HiddenVale seeing as he's an administrator. But he had a lot on his talk page right now and I would like to do a few edits before I hit the hay (if you get what I'm saying). So at your convenience could you please let me know.

P.s.s. Another question that has crossed my mind is the requirements to become an administrator. Obviously, I can't become achieve this title without proving myself worthy of it. But I can't stress enough the significance J.R.R. Tolkien and his works have had on my life. I will not pity you for you have much better things to do, but if you could elucidate this as well that would help me a lot

Thank you for your continued assistance. Best of luck, (Melon1234 (talk) 23:24, February 12, 2019 (UTC))


how do I add onto references for articles?

(Melon1234 (talk) 01:20, February 15, 2019 (UTC))

Question follow up

It contains a reference already, but I would like to expand it. When I click on it, it simply states insert reference but it won't work. Am I supposed to make it an internal link?

--Melon1234 (talk) 01:42, February 15, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Edit war

Oh. Okay thanks for pointing it out. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 20:24, February 15, 2019 (UTC)


Aha, I didn't see three of those categories, thanks! They do all conflict with the categorizations we already have in place. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:59, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

i call for Aid

i need help trying to get a wiki back up and running heres a link

(Ezradexter1027 (talk) 23:41, March 1, 2019 (UTC))

Re: Image categories

Oh thanks for the reminder. I made the correct one with that intention and then forgot. So yes. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 01:54, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

It's spam in the colloquial sense I guess... Go ahead and ignore it. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 04:04, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

Wonderful, thank you. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 00:06, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

"We have work to do"

Categorizations will be the mammoth-task of this year. Three waves of new cast & crew personnel and topics loom over us, two from the future and one from the past: the biopicAmazon's series, and the musical from over a decade ago. These are entities that have, or will have, soundtracks, actors, crew members, episode/scene names, et cetera, which is a wiki's paraphernalia. Depending on the Amazon series' breadth, it will entail basically the same work-load for us as when the Hobbit trilogy hit the screen. The musical I will handle on my own.

This means:

  • My own category "Cast & Crew" w/ its current content must be replaced with Cast & Crew of Peter Jackson's trilogies. This I'm taking care of now. Then the equivalent category will have to be made for the biopic, show, and musical. As the umbrella, I'll be making Cast & Crew of adaptations for there to be a common grouping, subordinate to the Cinema category, for Category:Singers, Category:FilmmakersCategory:Composers of soundtracks (which must exist because composer Johan de Meij does not write soundtracks), and categories of that sort.
  • Our Soundtracks category is like an unorganized mile-wide bookshelf with only one shelf: it will have to be an umbrella-category only, meaning individual sountracks must be removed from it, and instead put under Soundtrack of The Lord of the Rings films or Soundtrack of The Hobbit films, and then same with the three newcomers.

Those are the major things. At the moment, they aren't too pressing. Any questions?

It will be an exciting spring and summer! HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 01:00, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick willingness and enthusiasm! And don't worry about bothering. Wiki messages can't wake me from a nap. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 05:23, March 3, 2019 (UTC)


Keep an eye out for any red-linked terms I had added to a page (such as J.R.R. Tolkien). It means I'll be writing said article in the future. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 20:38, March 10, 2019 (UTC)

On second thought J.R.R. Tolkien is one of our most popular pages. So never mind I'll link that once it's written. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 20:43, March 10, 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately modifying those polls resets the decade-worth of accumulated data back to zero-per-option. I've been brainstorming over how in the world to keep those there or what. Now that you've reminded me I'll ask a Staffer for technical help. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 20:50, March 10, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there we go. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:17, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Featured system

Yes wonderful & impressive work on the soundtracks!

That is of course the right solution to the Featured Article system; it was on my list somewhere. I'll take care of it.

Thanks! HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 01:48, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

Well a new more important purpose for Featured Article is to bring to the spotlight some exemplary articles that aren't any sort of common query. But of course, most of the Fellowship member articles and the Sauron articles (which people look up on their own, out of interest/curiosity) are our finest work, so half of the new future rotation should be those. Featured Article is a lower priority than a few other current projects so I'll be working on it over the month. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:15, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

Whoever prepared the current background put the black median there so that the ends of the image would appear in the right place and stretch all the way. It isn't automated to stretch the image to the browser; uploading an image that's too small just puts it in a top corner. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:59, March 14, 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for your hawk eye and fruitful digging ventures. I've looked at Men of Arnor and it is indeed Dúnedain exclusive; it now redirects.

HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 05:26, March 21, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Templates and LOTRO

The former template isn't linked to on any articles so I've deleted it. And yours is funny anyways.

The LOTRO issue I've been loosely aware of; I'll take a look at the things we do cover to figure out what to do.

HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 04:31, March 26, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Housekeeping

Yes and yes.

You as well. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 02:21, April 9, 2019 (UTC)

Ditto. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 16:37, April 13, 2019 (UTC)

Whoops... there. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:19, April 14, 2019 (UTC)


I greatly appreciate your work with categorizing categories. Thank you! HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 00:01, June 4, 2019 (UTC)

Re: re: Categories

Great, thanks for organizing those contenders. And yes that would be good. I'll make a portal once I check the ordering of the scenes, keeping the articles undeleted until then. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 21:16, June 6, 2019 (UTC)


Glad tidings! We now include a new fancy forum area. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 00:55, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

You're an automatic choice for that so yes. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 19:04, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

I had the same exact instinct and didn't think of acting on it, but since there are now twice as many people who have that instinct (i.e. us two), I will. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 01:59, June 26, 2019 (UTC)


Shoulda thought of this earlier - email me at so we can hold off-site correspondence. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 02:54, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Weapons

Yes, I've deleted those weapon pages and merged the Elendilmir and Elk pairs. You can do whatever work you like on the other merge contenders since they're valid & I'll finalize them at some point. I'll see whether one of the animal list articles is still to large for me to edit. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 17:40, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Organization

Yes the header Forum > DBoards redirect I changed myself; currently I'm figuring out how to either archive or redirect all of the old Council and Watercooler content, as perfectly designed as it was. Most non-memorable stuff will be deleted.

And the featured article task is drawing close. At the moment you may explore if you like and look into how other wikis run their rotation. I've made a list so far for our article one. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 00:12, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

On article reverting

That may have been a misread on my part, sorry. You may now redo everything you had once intending on doing.--DarkLantern (talk) 05:27, July 26, 2019 (UTC)


Oh thank you. And I've renamed it. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:41, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

The new template

I don't see the point of an Unknown Name template on familiar subjects; it clarifies something too basic to need clarification. In the case of the Master and Mouth of Sauron, it already says that their names are unknown/forgotten seven or so lines below the notice, in the head. Haven't seen anyone here come and ask "but did this (fire-drake/Master of Lake-town) have a name?" - otherwise it is the sort of thing I might have placed on such articles if the wiki had just been born.

HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 23:17, August 3, 2019 (UTC)


Yes that should be how to delineate, and yes adjust the guidelines accordingly. Thank you! HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 04:20, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Links

O.K. Thanks so much!ArwenUdomiel (talk) 00:31, September 16, 2019 (UTC)


That infobox draft looks fine; thank you for doing that! And I have never noticed those articles before. I'll inspect and probably delete them. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 05:23, October 2, 2019 (UTC)


Hello Bitterhand! I am rewriting the Blackroot Vale article from Forum:Project: Tolkien Gateway and Wikipedia copies removal. I wanted to add an infobox, but I'm not sure if I should use Infobox LOTR place or Location infobox. Which one is more suitable for the article? Thanks! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 15:39, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!ArwenUdomiel (talk) 19:26, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

i have a question is shadow of mordor and shadow of war cannon?Not a Florida Black wolf working a computer to kill humans (talk) 22:43, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Various topics

I never thought to notice the trend of which ones are attacked most, thank you! It's a good idea. And in my time here no vandals have renamed anything. though that is true.

Since our movie scene articles have little content, yes that too is a good idea.

You as well! HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 04:50, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

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MisterWoodhouse (talk) 16:57, November 15, 2019 (UTC)


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AZS (talk) 14:30, December 11, 2019 (UTC)


Hello. Yes absolutely! As of recently is it about that time.  And thanks, I'll look at those. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 21:02, January 16, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Contents

That makes sense; no there's not any reference to it.

And great! I've restored it. Thanks for all your work as usual! HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 00:46, January 27, 2020 (UTC)

Anna Lee drawing

Hello Bitterhand! Can you rename the file 7cc601c5b2dadbe05429898071e7a77a.jpg to File:Arwen by Anna Lee.jpg? I'm not exactly sure how to rename a file otherwise I would do it myself. I went to the drop-down menu to the right of the edit button, but there was only the option to replace not to rename and I didn't want to mess up the file. Thanks! Have a nice evening, ArwenUdomiel (talk) 03:15, January 28, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me! I will tell HiddenVale. I hope that you get promoted as well! :-) Have a nice day! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 17:57, January 28, 2020 (UTC)

Missing Discussion Post

Hi Bitterhand! I was wondering if you knew what happened to my Happy Birthday Elijah Wood post? It seems to have disappeared and I can't find it anywhere. It's not very important because it's well past Elijah Wood's birthday, but I'd like to know if you are aware of what happened to it so I can avoid problem in the future. Hope you have a nice day! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 22:17, March 6, 2020 (UTC)

It's probably a technical error since my Happy Birthday Sean Astin post is still there. I'll keep an eye on future posts and let you know know if anything happens. Thanks! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 20:55, March 7, 2020 (UTC)



Since this is to my recollection the first case of a multiple-account vandal here (last Fall I disabled anon. edits), I'll ask Playsonic our manager if Exodius' IP can be blocked. It's been done before, since for quite awhile vandals have done the same trick on other wikis.

Given my school's recent transition to everyone-off-campus, as of the end of this spring break I'll be much more active than I've been since August; campus life (for a senior) involved being so many different places daily, so all my big projects and editing phases went on pause. Assuming I don't breathe loud enough to be shot in the dark, I will have the eyes of a hawk and the ears of a fox beginning next week. Everything the light touches shall be monitored at all times. Wait different movie

Thank you for the concern, and for your progress on things! How are you faring in these chaotic times?

HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 18:50, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Misc

Thanks for bringing my attention to this; I'd like Real People to be applied to every person, so it can be a rare supercategory where all articles within it, if if they're under a subfolder of it (such as Actors), are viewable together in a great mass, at the Real People page. We do this with Books as well. So actor articles will be continue to be under both Actors and Real People.

Doing a total replacement of Real People with Real people would be quite a giant task; I just abrely wouldn't have thought it necessary. Although the capitalization rule you're referring to is what we do everywhere (and I started it even), "Real People" does match its parent "Real World" a bit. And in the first place this kind of detail is of course inconspicuous.

The pertinent template is proper for articles in which there is a large biography section; whereas if there were an actor article with a tiny biography, but a good amount of misc. info listed under Trivia, it'd be difficult to relocate well all those trivia into the tiny biography section. So, the template can be removed from articles having not many possible destinations for the trivia listed. If that list has a handful or more, and it's all pertinent.

I'll delete those. Thank you and Happy Easter!

HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 03:44, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Content of List of peoples

Hello Bitterhand! Hope you're having a nice day! I have been adding to the incomplete List of peoples lately and I have a few questions about what's supposed to be in it. Do intelligent animals, like the Great Eagles, belong in the list? If so, should unintelligent animals, like the thrushes of Erebor, be included? Also, are Hobbit families supposed to be there? Thanks! By the way, your new profile picture looks very nice! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 23:54, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I appreciate it a lot. I have a few more questions I'd like to ask: since creatures of Sauron/Morgoth do not belong there should I go ahead and remove all Orcs, Trolls, and Uruk-hai from the list? Also should the entire race name, like Elves, be there as well as all the fractions, like Teleri, Ñoldor, and Sindarin. Or should it be just one or the other? Thanks a lot! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 23:28, April 17, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help and answering all my questions! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 01:12, April 19, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Dwarves

They aren't mentioned as proper nouns, and yes, there isn't quite enough substantial distinct info on each subculture to have separate articles. Thanks for linking those- I recall deleting them in the past but they were probably restored.

HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 21:21, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Non-canon locations

We might as well; I'd never checked to see whether that wiki has articles for all of them, but it ought to. Many years ago I think I purposefully kept all of them for the sake of our wiki having a wide coverage.

Since none of them have information beyond what's inferred from the map, I'll delete them all and not worry about transferral to the RP wiki since certainly neither they nor anyone else has been reliant on us having the articles.  HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 18:57, May 14, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Non-canon Dwarves

Those should be deleted, yes. Thanks! Don't worry about marking them, I'll clear them out today. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 18:32, June 15, 2020 (UTC)


"Doesn't need to be deleted, since it itself is the template for the others"

For example, for what? Belov7 (talk) 17:08, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Categories

There is not! It appears I made Movie Guides once by accident forgetting I'd made Film Guides. Film Guides is the right one.

And good to know; I'll look into that this week. HiddenVale - HV logo TalkPage 22:59, June 22, 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate Discussion Post

Hello Bitterhand! By mistake my post 'Received my new copy of The Great Tales!' was published twice. Perhaps you can delete one of them to avoid confusion. Thanks! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 21:59, July 2, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm glad you were pleased with the edition. I'm sure I will enjoy them as well! ArwenUdomiel (talk) 02:41, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

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