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Sindarin Pronouns[]
I know that I'm just an IP, but I think it would be really cool if this site had a page about Sindarin pronouns like at the end of The Silmarillion. Example:
mor - "dark" (in Mordor, Moria, Morwen)
kind of like that.--67.186.134.149 01:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Okay actually I just got an account.--Laureyave Means Banana 01:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Main page[]
Someone with admin power should delete the LOTR Requiem video from the main page, as it will not play (Embedding disabled on request). 
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Hi
I am a adminstrator of the Dutch LOTR wiki and I would ask if you want to add my wiki like you did with the deutch lotr wiki.
Just add at the bottom of the article this:
((nl:Hoofdpagina))
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Could some of the stuff in the left column be deleted or rearranged? It is a nuisance to have to scroll down to get to the Search box. Thx. Fatidiot1234 17:57, March 7, 2010 (UTC) Please diesregard.I switched to the Sapphire skin and the problem went away. Fatidiot1234 18:26, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
Nazgul versus Gandalf[]
I can't actually remember whether this was in the books or not, but it was a deleted scene of the film...the Lord of the Nazgul, the Witch King of Angmar, confronts Gandalf the White and in a display of his power breaks Gandalf's staff, subsequently fulfilling his promise to Gothmog that he would 'break the wizard.'fantage
If both Gandalf and Sauron are of the same origin, then how is it that a mere servant of Sauron has the power to defeat Gandalf so viciously?
Is it because of the ring on the Witch King's Finger? Is it that coupled with Sauron's influence?
That's Jackson's mistake, not Tolkien's. Do remember though that Gandalf had only just been brought back and that he had recently defeated Saruman, so he could for a time have been weaker.--Wyvern Rex. 18:40, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
RE:[]
Witch-King wasn't a mere servant of Sauron...he was the finest servant of Mordor and Sauron, his best fighter and his best commander....also don't forget that he was once a great King...
Anyways you must always look at the factors .... How is it that Manchester United looses football games with such inferior teams? .....look always at all factors...how is that one of the best swordsman(Boromir) of Middle-earth was defeated by mere uruk scouts?!Winterz 15:38, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
No disrespect to the Witch-king, but in the Tolkienian heroic-saga Trilogy the greatest force for good in Arda probably wouldn't have have been defeated by a weak-willed former Man enthralled by a loop of gold when Gandalf himself can resist a more powerful Elven ring. Boromir died from treacherous arrows shot by cunning Uruk-hai from a distance, so is probably not the best comparison with a face-to-face combat (which Boromir would have won, were it with the Uruks). More accurate would be (pause due to mild fear that a "wing" debate may be re-opened) Gandalf versus Durin's bane in Moria. The Balrog is strong but atrophied by long ages, while Gandalf's time of power is yet to come. They are more evenly matched and neither truly wins. This is probably how Jackson (and maybe Tolkien) should have done it. Two fighters, both experts in their way: the refined magic and near-elven grace of Gandalf versus the brute force and necromancy of the Witch-king. With a duel like that, you wouldn't even need to write a winner.--Wyvern Rex. 17:12, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
Argh you are confusing me now... so you say that the duel between Witch-king and Gandalf was balanced? Also.. in Peter's movie.. you only see the Witch-King breaking his staff...Gandalf could still have defeated the Witch-King (although the fell-beast was a pretty nice advantage to the Witch-king) with his own hands or his powerful sword.
Durin's Bane was a Balrog and so he could have been as powerful as Gandalf since he was a Corrupted Maia but still a Maia..And Gandalf didn't needed his staff to destroy him. His sword was enough...So My conclusion? Gandalf wasn't exactly defeated in that duel..and the Rohirrim arrival just ruined what would have became a brilliant duel. Sauron's serve against Valar's serveWinterz 18:37, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't say that it was balanced. I said that it failed because it wasn't and the arrival of the Rohirrim was a positive mercy. The main conflict of the book to Tolkien was Gandalf versus Saruman: the angel of redemption against the exterminating fallen angel. Looking at the political climate, it could be argued that the Gandalf of the Trilogy was based on the environmental campaigner Grey Owl, a supposedly native American (actually English, and in a positive way a fraud) who reminded people that though progress must be made, the good things from before should be kept if possible. Saruman was the archetypal "mad scientist" of the petrochemical and plutonium era, a highly overused and inaccurate stereotype but with some valid points. The real climax of the books was the breaking of Saruman's staff and the rejection of his authority. To do this to the former "Greyhame" in an add-on scene means, as you can see, rather more than an excuse to break out Glamdring. In the same respect, Jackson should hardly have replaced the powerful dialogue scene when Gandalf was captured at Orthanc with an undignified fist-fight.
Primarily, Gandalf fights with his wits, making him the calm, measured alternative to the Three Hunters. Letting go of the Moria bridge is very much a throwback to Glorfindel and Ecthelion, the previous Balrog slayers. Even before then, he seems to be using his magic to prevent the beast from taking the Ringbearer. Also, flash back to The Hobbit and the finding of Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting in the Troll cave. Allowing for the fanciful style: Gandalf versus trolls? Speech powers and cunning. Gandalf versus goblins? Energy blast and cunning. The ability to focus the powers of the Istari is more important to him in the books than waving an old sword around.
Continuing the Fell beast versus Shadowfax debate, Shadowfax has a noble lineage behind him, dating back to the dawn of Rohan. I therefore conclude that although a duel between Gandalf and the Witch-king would be entertaining, it should keep to the nature of the characters. Maybe reference the Witch-king being forced to break off when he views difficulty for Gothmog, and Gandalf reminding him of Glorfindel's famous words.--Wyvern Rex. 09:04, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
I think I'm starting to understand your point of view..So you are saying that better than making a unnecessary scene(Witch-King vs Gandalf in Minas Tirith) Peter should have focused more in the duel between the wizards(Saruman and Gandalf)?
Well if it is that than you must notice that what Peter probably wanted to show is how the Rohirrim really came saving the day..even when all hope is gone to Minas Tirith people/garrison and to Gandalf himself(that was supposed to be defeated and killed)...The arrival of Rohan is what that scene was meant for and not just some fancy duel that endured for a couple seconds..
Also don't call it "an old sword" .. what matters is not the sword but the man behind it...and it was Gandalf...and he could do extraordinary things with it.Winterz 19:25, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. Saruman is insane to the extent that it is almost beautiful. His attempt to confuse Radagast, the imprisonment of Gandalf, the Last March of the Ents and his final fall in the Scouring of the Shire (Made into another throwaway deleted scene. His release alone demonstrated the compassion of Fangorn.) show his once-great mind fall apart as he fails to conceive of forces greater than himself. In spite of his betrayal, Gandalf still tries to appeal to the good in him. Gandalf understands Saruman's independent thirst for power, but does Gandalf have any real connection with the weak-willed Witch-king? Gandalf, holder of a ring second only to the One against someone enthralled by an invisibilty trick and extended life?
One of my main issues with Jackson's films is the way in which personalities were changed. Faramir was bad enough but the panic-stricken Gandalf was too much. Gandalf, as the agent of the Valar, performs the task he was set. Maybe it humanises him. Maybe it shouldn't, as Gandalf is not human.
If we going to enter "The-Trilogy-according-to-Peter-Jackson" we can consider other ways of letting the Rohirrim arrive. Just one suggestion: The insane Denethor, still on the battlements, looks out and views the Riders of Rohan. Half-crazed, he imagines them to be reinforcements from Dol Guldur and finally loses all hope, in spite of an overjoyed Beregond trying to tell him that these were Men of the Mark. It seems reasonable from Denethor's delusions, and illustrates his true fall: his refusal to trust.
Gandalf got on very nicely without Glamdring before he found it. To him, a sword is just another weapon. Glamdring always came second to Anduril, the latter being a symbol for the West.--Wyvern Rex. 09:04, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
video[]
The youtube clip isn't working because it was removed due to copyright demands. Maybe someone can remove it from the main page and/or replace it. --Jedi-Meister »!?« 14:51, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Interlanguage links[]
Please add the following links to the main page:
[[de:]] [[it:]] [[nl:]] [[pt-br:]] [[ru:]]
Thank you. --Weas-El ✉ 16:26, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
Haldir, Marchwarden vs. Haldir of the Haladin[]
I just made a page for Haldir of the Haladin. Learn the difference before you link a Haldir somewhere. The Marchwarden is the one from Lorien, the Haladin is the one from the First Age. Please don't accidentally link one to the other. And if you see one that's incorrectly linked, fix it please! Thanks, Echobrand 21:19, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
Interlanguage links[]
Would someone please add the following links to the main page (at the very bottom)? I can't do it because the page is protected.
[[cs:Hlavní strana]] [[de:Der Herr der Ringe Wiki]] [[es:Portada]] [[fi:Etusivu]] [[fr:Accueil]] [[it:Pagina principale]] [[ja:ロード・オブ・ザ・リング Wiki]] [[nl:Hoofdpagina]] [[pl:Strona główna]] [[pt-br:Página principal]] [[ru:Заглавная страница]]
Thank you, --Weas-El ✉ 13:27, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
Update?[]
Would it be alright to update the main page a bit? Search for new featured pictures/articles/collaborations. I think these are still the ones we started with? I didn't know where to put this exactly, so I'll just place it here. I saw the templates and pages for featured articles and stuff. I don't think it would hurt to search for some other well-written articles that could maybe have a spot on the main page? Perhaps a forum topic is in order. If nobody sees this message, I'll try and open up a forum topic.--Nognix 17:25, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Good idea.--Wyvern Rex. 18:08, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
Of the current film adaptions...[]
I think the Hobbit ΙησούςΦρικτός 14:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC) the hobbit is fine as it is. im sorry im new to the wiki and i dont want to start off by creating striffe. but sometimes adaptations is better then whats in the bookEvan Nesb (talk) 19:45, March 29, 2013 (UTC)barouk khazahd
MediaWiki coding[]
On MediaWiki:Common.js you can add this coding to alow auto-refresh to the recent changes page. ~ King Under the Mountain 19:29, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
Incorrectly colored Shadowfax - Main Page background[]
Should there be an incorrectly-colored Shadowfax image on the main page?
Cygnetian (talk) 03:54, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
Whats with the blatant fabrication of Tolkien info on this site? Is this a fan fiction site or is it actualy trying to be a source for info on Tolkiens work?
Look up the battle of Cair Andros or any number of other battles on this site. Fabricated story lines and numbers on the troop disposition and casualties that Tolkien clearly never stated. The cowardly leader of Cair Andros abandoned the settlemetn? a report on casualties from this battle? State your source.
If this site is meant to be a fan site where details are made up for events that Tolkien never gave details for then i suppos i get it. Othweriws whats the explanation for all the made up info on events in middle Earth?
Araphor (talk) 04:04, June 13, 2013 (UTC)Araphor
- Sir, this website has been target of many sorts of vandalism, some are meant by faking statements and numbers without propper sourcing. If you feel that something is incorrect, feel free to remove it or to correct it by providing a source. Most of us try to correct it, but we're still too few in comparison to the vandals, which in the early years of this Wiki, sure messed it up. Winterz (talk) 14:13, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Video[]
Shouldn't the new Hobbit movie trailer be on the main page?
Just asking...?
46.32.149.74 18:03, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi! What do you think about changing interwikis to the Interlang template? It's seen on mobile version. Second, add other links to the main page : ar: ca: he: ka: sk: tr: no: pt: zh: mn:. See also if the are another LOTR wikis or Tolkienpedias...
A NEW ADVENTURE...[]
hey guys,i am new to the wiki and i don't know exacly how to manage stuff here yet..though this is topic is more like an announcement than a request.im thinking of writing a new lord of the rings book,a fan made project which will be based on stuff not really depicted a lot by tolkien,the eastern middle earth and the easterlings.i want to make a story of the adventures of the two blue mages there and the people far from the sea oh rhun.now i am just thinking of it and i would like to have some suggestions from people who know better the middle earth history..so do you like my idea?any suggestions or other ideas? Nickssss19 (talk) 00:21, December 11, 2014 (UTC)NSNickssss19 (talk) 00:21, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
Someone needs to edit the page for Aragorn, because it doesn't include all of his weapons. In the movie, he uses a knife and a bow but his page doesn't say he has those.
- Have you seen the "Non-canonical weapons" section? It lists that Aragorn has a dagger and bow and arrows. - Darkchylde • Talk • Contribs 03:49,4/5/2015
can a black wizard be good?[]
i don't know if this is the correct place to ask stuff, but idk where else to. i was just wondering, since black is stronger/greater than white: could you be a black wizard and STILL/ALSO be good? 51.174.6.69 12:52, March 4, 2016 (UTC)
Deviantart[]
I think I am missing something here, what is with all of the Deviant art fan images on this wiki? Probuscis (talk) 07:51, March 5, 2016 (UTC)
Update of interlanguage links[]
Hello,
please update the interlanguage links on the main page. I can't do it myself because the page is protected.
The current links are:
[[ca:Pàgina principal]] [[cs:Arda Wiki]] [[de:Der Herr der Ringe Wiki]] [[es:Wiki La Tierra Media]] [[fi:Etusivu]] [[fr:Accueil]] [[he:הארץ התיכונה Wiki]] [[it:Pagina principale]] [[ja:ロード・オブ・ザ・リング Wiki]] [[nl:Tolkien wiki]] [[pl:Śródziemie Wiki]] [[pt-br:Página principal]] [[ru:Заглавная страница]] [[sk:Slovenská Tolkien Wikia]] [[uk:Головна сторінка]] [[zh:主页索引]]
The wikis ar, el, ka, la, mn and tr were closed.
Thank you. --Weas-El (talk) 09:14, July 25, 2020 (UTC)
Why don't you add a link to a interactive map @
Jewelflameblade (talk) 13:21, September 15, 2020 (UTC)
Archive1 (2005)
Archive2 (2006)
Archive3 (2007-2008)
Make this the official wikia for licensed media only[]
There is really too much fanon/fan-fiction and unlicensed fan art images on this wikia. We should be deleting all fan art and concentrating on sourcing and citing officially licensed material only. The main page should be updated to reflect this and explicitly state: "officially licensed material only" or "officially authorized material only"; meaning all of Tolkien's writings and material that the Tolkien Estate, etc. have given permission to publish. That means all the official RPG games over the years, video games and visual guides associated with the films as well. DestroyerOfFanon (talk) 11:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's calendar art that is approved by Tolkien estate, as well as other published artwork from other sources. I agree there should be more images from the PJ movies of characters but I think the paintings that are much older than the movies, should remain. NackyTwelve (talk) 23:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the sentiment, but disagree with the idea. There is plenty of good fan art and scholarship that is not officially licensed that should be covered by this wiki (there is no such think as a wikia, that is just an old brand name). However, we should definitely remove stuff that conflicts with existing canon and is not licensed. We should also remove stuff that is fan-created with no real connection to Tolkien except by inspiration (fan art of invented characters and fan fiction). -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Oct 2024 4:55 PM Pacific
- I think it comes down to how we present the material. Authorized art pre-films (calendars, merchandise, etc.) if it was authorized or officially published could stay in articles. However, we have to draw the line at fan art. I would not be opposed to galleries at the bottom of pages for "fan interpretations" or perhaps just one single page/gallery for fan art but as the wikia currently stands it's next to impossible to the casual user to ascertain what is considered "official" or not. DestroyerOfFanon (talk) 00:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Anything non-canon should be removed but there's the odd presence now of characters that PJ & Co. made up. So it goes into murky waters that. All in all, Tolkien's work sadly never came with any artwork save for the famous map of M.E. so artists stepped in to give visuals to his words, his descriptions. And if this is the "One Wiki" to rule them all, it lends itself to the wide range of Tolkien's visions as interpreted by his readers. NackyTwelve (talk) 00:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm unsure if you are understanding or myself am misunderstanding you. From our own wikia:
- Anything non-canon should be removed but there's the odd presence now of characters that PJ & Co. made up. So it goes into murky waters that. All in all, Tolkien's work sadly never came with any artwork save for the famous map of M.E. so artists stepped in to give visuals to his words, his descriptions. And if this is the "One Wiki" to rule them all, it lends itself to the wide range of Tolkien's visions as interpreted by his readers. NackyTwelve (talk) 00:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think it comes down to how we present the material. Authorized art pre-films (calendars, merchandise, etc.) if it was authorized or officially published could stay in articles. However, we have to draw the line at fan art. I would not be opposed to galleries at the bottom of pages for "fan interpretations" or perhaps just one single page/gallery for fan art but as the wikia currently stands it's next to impossible to the casual user to ascertain what is considered "official" or not. DestroyerOfFanon (talk) 00:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the sentiment, but disagree with the idea. There is plenty of good fan art and scholarship that is not officially licensed that should be covered by this wiki (there is no such think as a wikia, that is just an old brand name). However, we should definitely remove stuff that conflicts with existing canon and is not licensed. We should also remove stuff that is fan-created with no real connection to Tolkien except by inspiration (fan art of invented characters and fan fiction). -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Oct 2024 4:55 PM Pacific
- "The Lord of the Rings Wiki, alternatively One Wiki to Rule Them All, is a website created on March 8, 2005, with the purpose of encompassing information relating to the work of John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, to literature concerning him and his legendarium, and to official adaptations of his works across all media."
- It appears that at some stage this wikia has somewhat deviated from it's core tenants. We do not need to supplement the wikia with fan works as there is a wealth of imagery in official published materials from Tolkien-approved artists, merchandise to behind the scenes concept art from the games and films that has yet to be included here and yet for some reason fan art keeps being uploaded and prioritised instead. DestroyerOfFanon (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh I agree with you on that. Some fan art does cheapen the look and feel, and I would rather have screen stills from the 1978 animated film in place of something anime or ice-box art. Not that it wouldn't feel jarring and out of place although the film isn't too bad for what it is. Personally I would go with official artwork as well. And I write articles for Uncyclopedia (where making artwork on the subject at hand is par for the course) but that site is total parody. Have you ever read Bored of the Rings? Hilarious stuff, and does have cover art for several versions/editions of the book. Right now I'm working on the Aragorn page over there and plan to add much more because there's a horrible lack of Tolkien subjects over there. NackyTwelve (talk) 02:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- As an addendum to this discussion, I believe artists who have previously contributed artwork to official and authorized material (such as Alan Lee, etc.) but who also have contributed Tolkien related art to unauthorized works (such as David Day's Tolkien's Ring), should have individual unauthorized artworks categorized as such, but that such art should still be prioritized over fan art. DestroyerOfFanon (talk) 05:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I second that sentiment. Absolutely. NackyTwelve (talk) 07:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Page Colors in Darkmode[]
The white background behind the text makes it a bit hard to read the main page when in dark mode, perhaps this could be changed to make it more readable? (Kelis98 (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC))
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