There appears to me that there is no standard on this wiki for the articles about Races, as with other categories, for whether to name them using the singular or plural forms of their most common names. I personally prefer the use of plurals to refer to Races, however the use of singulars would be better than mixed usage.-- Drew_mek@The One Wiki to Rule Them All   15:46, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Nazgul Edit

Do the Nazgul count as a race? I understand Sauron created them, but if the Uruk-Hai and Orcs, which were also created by Sauron/Melkor count, shouldnt Nazgul count too? TheDragonLord (talk) 19:34, February 24, 2013 (UTC) 

Good question TheDragonLord.  I for think you have a point.  But remember, Nazgul are a group of Wraiths, not a race in their own right.  However, they are one of the only known examples of Wraiths that their is.  Still, by technicallity, the Nazgul should be in the wraith categrory, and not the Wraith category.  But Wraiths as a whole do count as a race, and should be listed as such.belacreteet (talk) 18:27, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Concerning HobbitsEdit

I'm Belac Reteet. I notice that Hobbits are listed here.  Since we this category is for races on a special level, Hobbits do not belong on it.  They are actually a subspecies of Men. Therefore, everything Hobbit related on in this category should be transferred to the Men category.belacreteet (talk) 18:45, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe Tolkien definitively stated that they were a separate race, but they were certainly treated by him as a separate race. Tolkien considered hobbits "closer kin to us than elves, and even [closer to us than] dwarves," but he treated them as a separate race. In his letters, Tolkien said he considers them a separate branch of humans, who may have interbred with them later on, but in the books they are a separate race. In his own words, he called them "a race of people." Categorizing them as a subset of Men would not be proper for the purposes of this wiki. - Gradivus, 23:11, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Gradivus! They are like unto Men due to their mortality but NOT Men due to differences in height and features. They called Men the "Bigfolk" like they were two different races. They generally live longer then Men but not as long as dwarves, but are NOT them either since they were created by the Valar Aule to be something totally different and are. Putting them under Men would not be appropriate!--DarkLantern (talk) 00:21, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
Alright.  Far be it for me to contradict Tolkienian cannon.  I've just always considered Middle-earth Men a race with four subspecies; Humans, Edain, Dunedain, and Hobbits.  But I'm not particularly bothered by Hobbits being classified as a race anyway, I just thought I had decected an error.belacreteet (talk) 13:49, December 2, 2013 (UTC) 
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