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Orcs reproduce sexually.
^see, you'll never win debates this way.
I believe it refers to Barad-Dur.
Fandyllic never mind, Gandalf says it in Book 2: Chapter Three, not Chapter Two.
"He watched as they tried in vain to cast down the Iron Chapel, hopelessly fighting hordes of Uruk; and Sauron laughed, seeing hundreds of millions of Elves be slaughtered. But they killed many of Sauron's Dwarves, Men, and Orcs. Seven years is not many for Him, but no longer did the bloodshed amuse him, so he came from Barad-Dur. Many Millions of Elves died at his hand, the last of which was Gil-Galad, High King of the Noldor."
^Clearly, you haven't read the books and don't understand math. My calculations are very large because I use logic while using math to find such numbers. If you have a problem with that, come up with your numbers. Until then, no one will take you seriously.
KillRoy231, but there were still millions. Sauron bred them within Barad-Dur for centuries. Green Anacondas typically give birth to around 30 babies. Fell-Beasts, being closest related to Green Anacondas, would certainly have three times that amount due to greater size and Sauron's need for greater armies. Meaning Fell-Beasts would have 60-120 babies, which is too large a gap, so closing it lends us 80-100.
From here, x shall represent generational growth (babies born). The number of years is 400. So, 20x*400+ is the equation we must use. This number would be 8,000x. If X=90 (the middle of the Birth Gap), we would roughly have half of 720,000 Fell-Beasts producing 90 children each after 400 years. In the wild, these Fell-Beasts would continue to populate Mordor up to the Last Alliance, and many years after. So, by the time of the story, there would have to be tens of millions, far too many for the Eagles to defeat.
^ Yeah, then he killed them. Gandalf says so in Book Two Chapter Two.
KillRoy231 there are millions of Fell-Beasts
KillRoy231 but those were nine Black wings, not all of them.
Exactly, they'd essentially serve as Sauron's postal service, giving the ring right to him. Also, if the Eagles had flown near Mordor, the Fellowship would've been spotted. If the Eagles transported the Fellowship to Lorien, the Fellowship would've been spotted. Sauron had eyes everywhere and needed to ensure that he could acquire the ring.
Elendil and Gil-Galad fought Sauron after Sauron had been weakened by killing millions of Noldor in that battle. the reason Turin, Elendil, and Aragorn all had their insane strength was simply because they were born that way. Elendil went up against Sauron, but with Gil-Galad, and was infused with the strength of Eru and Tulkas combined via divine blessing.
StingString but that's why I think I'd side with the King's Men, because I would likely be convinced to hate the Valar by Sauron.
^ I said Godzillavkk is a good person, did you read what I said? You can be a good person without being Christian, but atheism is bad for the soul.
Zod my friend, you make the most difficult philosophical questions on any fandom, and I love it. Now, on one hand, I am completely opposed to genocide, let alone total racial eradication. But on the other hand, I think the Uruk are genuinely evil.
The major argument that can be made here is that the Uruk have inflicted countless damage to all the Free Peoples. In the First Age, the trillions of the Uruk spread across Belieriend slaughtered tens, likely hundreds, of millions of Men and Elves alike while raiding outposts, towns, and villages. Uruks have been known to raid, massacre, torture, rape, murder, pillage, and mutilate Humans and Elves by their own free will.
In other words, the Uruk are worse when they have freedom. The major examples of this are the Eastern Orcs. We learn of them in the Nature of Middle Earth, where Tolkien goes into incredible detail about these Free Orcs. These Orcs, by their own free will, committed all the aforementioned crimes in mass upon anyone, simply because they could. From this, I think it's safe to assume that the Uruk will always commit atrocities, whether it be in the name of Adar, Sauron, Morgoth, or just for the fun of it.
The Uruk caused inconceivable damage across Bereliand, simply from the buildup of minor skirmishes. They butchered and mutilated Man and Dwarf alike, and tortured Elves with Zeal. They destroyed Nargothrond and Gondolin, places nearly 400 million Elves called home. Cities that were greater than entire countries, nations, and kingdoms. Yes, they did so under Morgoth, and perhaps some regretted it, but considering how, even without a master, they still do horrible things, I think we can assume that they're simply to dangerous to be kept alive, and could threaten farmers, villagers, and even townsman far to much.
And in the SA, they were far, far worse. Already there are the Eastern Orcs, but the Uruk under Sauron conquered and fought against the mightiest Elven civilization save for Lindon itself. and killed untold numbers of men and Dwarves. 2 billion Elves and Men died to the Uruk, and 300 hundred million Dwarves. And those are just the ones we know about. Not the Elves, Men, and Humans who fought at Dagorlad, the hundreds of millions more who died at the feet of Barad-Dur, and the poor souls whose villages, farms, and towns were raided by small parties of Uruk.
And in the TA, they destroyed the greatest Kingdom of Man to exist.
Case in point, the Uruk have committed far too many atrocities to be allowed to contiune to live, while they are also too dangerous to be kept alive. The problem is, if we eradicate the Uruk, we must also eradicate the dozens of races of Easterlings, Haradrim, Khandites and the race of Dunlendings, right? After all, they are smarter, stronger, more athletic, more numerous, and better armored than the Uruk, and will continue to fight for Sauron, and exist in their Khanates, Sultanates, Padishahs, and tribes even after Sauron dies. The Uruk won't.
I voted yes, but, like many who voted in favor of Nagasaki being nuked, I must question the moral ambiguity of my choice.
^ I think that you'll eventually understand where we come from, and will eventually become a Christian, because I can tell you are a good person.
Godzillavkk "education is better then faith"
??? And why make this a political discussion? There's no point flaunting about how you don't believe in God, no point.
So, by your logic, because I pray to God and believe in Heaven/Hell, that I somehow am stupid??? Also, Science and religion are certainly not opposites. Sir Issac Newton was a devout Christian and believed the two coincided. On top of that, "some'' is a small number, so don't base your argument off of "some people are bad". That's like me saying that everyone on Earth is white because I saw twelve white people in London. It just makes no sense. Education and faith can completely exist right next to each other. Being one doesn't mean you can't be the other. Your decision probably didn't work. Also, being too far down any political wing is unhealthy. The Kings Men are a strong example of being too far left, and real-world Nazis are strong examples of being too far right. At the end of the day, just be happy and love others for who they are.
He would rule his Empire for inconceivable numbers of decades as a God-King. Everyone would ruled with ultra-communist ideals and, while they would prosper in a heavily policed military utopia, opprutunity, fortune, free will, and any luxury Sauron considers to be wasted energy would be eradicated. Cities in Rhun, Khand, Harad, Mordor, and the Dark Lands would continue growing, Gondorian Cities like Osgiliath would become projects to be rebuilt, while cities like Minas Tirith would become fortresses for the Witch-King. The Nazgul would likely reform Angmar as their own Nation, and Sauron would subsequently offer them control over Eriador. Rohan and the Shire would be places where Sauron would direct most energy: either to make them huge farmlands to feed his Western Corners, or flat and stable ground to begin building cities more immeasurable than Barad-Dur. Orcs would likely be kept in Mordor to continue being Sauron's slaves, Dwarves would be urged to make even larger marvels and be more industrious, but their cities would be heavily guarded by Easterlings. Easterlings themselves likely would use Sauron's own grace to create unparalleled marvels. Gondor itself would be added as territory to a unified Empire of Haradrim.
"Morgoth defeated Nargothrond with ease, and Gondolin with mild difficulty. These were two of the most powerful realms to ever exist, and they would not have fallen to Sauron; Sauron himself was bested by Huan singlehandedly."
In Gondolin, Morgoth only really directed his armies during the ensuing battle, while in both cases Morgoth's armies outnumbered his opponents 100-1. Sauron often outnumbered his enemies, but not to such a degree. Also, saying they wouldn't fall to Sauron makes no sense, as he controlled Rhun, Harad, and Mordor, aka Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, meaning his armies likely numbered at around 12 million, more than enough to take both cities judging by history in Arda. Sauron got beaten by a dog, Morgoth got stabbed by some random dude. No, Huan and Fingolfin had the divine strength of Eru blessing them with unimaginable power, beyond that of Goku, Kratos, or even the Doom slayer. Sauron's subsequent defeat surely boosts him higher.
"You seem to lack understanding of Tolkien's mythos; Morgoth is the main villain. The Lord of the Rings was only written when people demanded a 'Hobbit 2'; while more adult in tone, it was not originally or intentionally so. He had wanted to publish The Silmarillion in its stead, but it was considered too long and incomprehensible. In one of his letters, he describes LOTR to merely a tale of the kind within The Silmarillion. This is all to say that Tolkien did not consider LOTR to be his magnum opus; he considered it to be The Silmarillion."
Fair enough, I cede this point to you.
"In Tolkien's legendarium, Morgoth could be likened to Satan; one of the strongest of God (Eru)'s servants, who betrayed him in an effort to gain power. Sauron can likewise be compared to Beelzebub; a servant of Satan who served him with complete loyalty due to fear. Satan would never have been overpowered by a mere demon, just as Morgoth would never be overpowered by a mere Maiar."
Morgoth is Satan. But you misunderstand Sauron, he did not serve Morgoth out of fear, he served him, because Morgoth needed him. Sauron did just fine without Morgoth, for two whole Ages, but Morgoth needed Sauron in the FA. Sauron was his Chief Lieutenet, his advisor, and his most important asset. Tolkien used those words to describe Sauron. Sauron served Morgoth to gain power, so that he could conquer and unify the world for himself. Morgoth knew this, everyone knew, but Morgoth kept Sauron because of Sauron's usefulness. But you seem to forget the Fall of Numenor, when Eru, God himself, and Sauron essentially had what you could consider a telepathic battle in which both unleashed their magic power upon each other as Sauron deflected Eru's lightening, awing the men of Numenor. Just as saying a Maiar could beat a Valar is saying a Hobbit is taller than Aragorn; the same would be true by saying a Valar (hell, all the Valar) could beat Eru. And yet Sauron, all alone, fought Eru and nearly won, so he could, at least, kill a few of the weaker Valar. I mean, being a genuine challenge to Eru, which Melkor only achieved in his ultimate prime, is strong enough to probably kill Tulkas. And being able to do this puts Sauron as a wild card, above Eonwe.
"Morgoth actually spent more time in control of a greater amount of land than Sauron; the Days Before Days lasted considerably longer than the Second and Third ages combined, and during that time he commanded the entirety of Middle-earth, until YT 1099, in which Tulkas captured Morgoth and brought him to Valinor. From YT 1 to YT 1099, 10530.618 solar years pass, which is many times longer than the SA and TA combined, to say nothing of the countless time beforehand in which Morgoth ruled in the Days Before Days."
And he ruled absolutely no one. The land Sauron controlled had actual people living in it, and the lands he didn't had people living in them to. Ruling barren wastelands and trees is completely different from ruling Empires with nearly a billion citizens.
^ Tolkien designed them to be evil, soulless beings, who simply kill because they enjoy killing. In official lore, that is. In some EU thing, sure, but considering the firm, narrow, clear focal lore comes from one source (books), dictated by one man, extended Universe might as well be a void.
StingString And he spent the entire SA and most of the TA as the supreme Emperor of an Empire that spanned across most of Arda. Also, Sauron did get stronger: During his prime, he was certainly powerful enough to defeat Morgoth in his lesser years and could have even defeated most Valar, judging by his feats.
Also, J.R.R Tolkien was good at writing books, he knew that his story would suck if the main villain was weaker than the villain who proceeded him.
^ I mean, he did better than Morgoth and had a longer reign.