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The inspiration for his works.

I haven't been on here for a long time as I have reread the books I had.

I bought some of the posthbumously-published work. The book that lays out the unfolding tale is, the Fall of Gondolin has set the theme and foundations here. The republished original Lord of the Rings, on the 50th anniversary also ends the known story he had.

However there is scope for another book and or film, as in the bible (Tolkien’s theological inspiration.) Morgoth will rise from the void with his armies and fight in the good versus evil, to end all darkness in arda. Then the ring of power does not matter as it was created after his imprisonment and he has more power, he can corrupt life to fit his needs as he is the satanic presence on middle earth.

This end of Morgoth’s need for the power for the ability to be equal to Eru Ilúvatar, then the power to create and not just corrupt life.

I've just seen this.

I know that this link contains lots of advertisements, I draw your attention to point 2, as it confirms my other posts.

https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/5-places-in-ireland-that-lord-of-the-rings-fans-will-love/

2, The Burren – possible inspiration behind Middle-earth

The Burren is said to have inspired Middle-earth

The Burren, in County Clare, is renowned for its karst, lunar landscape, but did you know that some believe it to be the inspiration behind the creation of Middle-earth? The author of the Lord of the Rings, J.R.R. Tolkien, worked as an external examiner at National University of Ireland, Galway (NUIG), and this led him to spend his summers of 1949 and 1950 in the west of Ireland.

Tolkien was good friends with C.S. Lewis, the Belfast-born author of The Chronicles of Narnia, and it was Lewis who introduced him to Ireland. Tolkien became fascinated by the topography of the Burren; the Misty Mountains of Middle-earth bear an uncanny resemblance to that of the Burren.

A place that captivated Tolkien in County Clare is the cave of Pollnagollum. Locals claim that it was this cave, the longest cave system on the island of Ireland, that gave rise to the name of Gollum, a much-loved character in the trilogy. The cave is a natural habitat of the rock dove, which makes a guttural sound that is quite similar to that of Gollum, so perhaps this was the inspiration!

What do you think?

I add this to my last post as its interesting

The Norse–Gaels (Old Irish: Gall-Goídil; Irish: Gall-Ghaeil) in Viking colonies of Ireland and Scotland, the descendants of intermarriage between Norse immigrants and the Gaels. As early as the 9th century, many colonists (except the Norse who settled in Cumbria) intermarried with native Gaels and adopted the Gaelic language as well as many Gaelic customs. Many left their original worship of Norse gods and converted to Christianity, and this contributed to the Gaelicisation.

Ireland

The Norse are first recorded in Ireland in 795 when they sacked Lambay Island. Sporadic raids then continued until 832, after which they began to build fortified settlements throughout the country. Norse raids continued throughout the 10th century, but resistance to them increased. The Norse

established independent kingdoms in Dublin, Waterford ( I was born here ), Wexford, Cork and Limerick all ports. These kingdoms did not survive the subsequent Norman invasions, but the towns continued to grow and prosper.

This is historical fact ( Skuldelev II, a Viking warship built in the Norse–Gaelic community of Dublin (c. 1042. ) The mixture of languages, religion the drainage they did made Ireland inhabitable. Settlements/towns led to sexual partners and children and the DNA started ( apart from the early raids ) the combination of historic, mythologies, customs and a great many more things.

I am unsure what you mean, as,

History (from Greek ἱστορία, historia, meaning "inquiry; knowledge acquired by investigation") is the study of the past. Events before the invention of writing.

mythology

a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition.

myths.

"this field includes archaeology, comparative mythology, and folklore"

legend,

a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated.

I find difficult as all the above are fictitious tales, subject to many interpretations depending on who is telling the story, and making peoples appear greater or lesser to influence others, will tell this story to others and who are then able to change it again for whatever reason they need to, then who is who and what they done to lncreas or reduce their impact in their way of lives to suit, whatever is required to improve status.

Tolkien suggests that fairy stories allow the reader to review his own world from the "perspective" of a different world. Tolkien calls this "recovery", in the sense that one's unquestioned assumptions might be recovered and changed by an outside perspective.

Tolkien begins at the beginning, by defining what a fairy tale is: A “fairy-story” is one which touches on or uses Faerie, whatever its own main purpose may be: satire, adventure, morality, fantasy.

Then te influences upon professor Tolkien was from Ireland as Interestingly here it can be seen "poll na gollum" this I think is more than coincidence. I agree with Dr. Liam Campbell. Here is something of his works.

I have explained several posts with other people here and I do not want another long drawn out discussion on this as the fact the time he spent in the Burren and really some impact in the motives to pursue this culture and the above.

Then simple matter often norse invasions of Britain, Scotland and Ireland in particular the names left upon Ireland and then the travelling to America. This goes somewhere really explains their adopted cultures into their own cultures and the effects of that other way of life and the effects on their compression of their views understanding of life they encountered.

This is fact,

The Irish do have Viking DNA and are also more prone to certain diseases, DNA tests show. Yes, the Irish do have Viking DNA and are also more prone to certain diseases, DNA tests show. I think that DNA is not subject to question?

Do you mean like the return of the shadow, I'm reading again which has volumes of details between the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings and The volumes of details in the writings that are confusing in the many rewrites? This is important as the stories develop I'm sure that you have. Tolkein confused his son yet you obviously do.

Morgoth manage to create his Dragons? The author gave him the power. The letters written as well as publications reflect that. The Catholic Bible has many letter to various individuals to clarify and make the book appear to be correct. I suspect that Tolkien's devout adherence to doctrine reduced the impact of being precise in the first instance. .ike all authors they have the chance to edit and and dectract in appendices or notes for consideration in their story. Tolkien was shaped throughout his experiences, meeting with others, sights seen that cannot be unseen.

Here we offer our thoughts on his works from our interpretation and understanding of his works. There maybe a slight topic deviation in one's explanation as in his works he had many things to say that then needed explanation. I like to think I know something of his writings as for over 40 years I have been reading his works and being confused until other books and appendices appear. This Understanding of his mind still evades me in its complexity. Then no matter how many times I Re-read them and in what order its comparable to time travels with no ability to control the exact point of destination. That all being said his works did have a dramatic effect on me.

I find having his books here together and then cross referencing is worse than being Alice in wonderland, I am only saying that the complete works are beyond definition. I have to refer to the material I have here and then shift backwards and forwards to return to find some definition of the original query and then disc.ose that succinctly as my head is spinning and then overlapping topics and questions, or course in confusion the trying to be clear is lost from others perception and their opinions. I offer abstract facts that do transcend rules, as I my wish to impart my opinion and facts I hold on a complex tales, I clearly need to address in a single answer to the question posed, my information appears only to be valid, despite vague questions that are in essence not questions as investigations will resolve the need to ask for help.

Point 1. I had a high speed motorcycle road traffic collision, the resulting 12 coma has had an effect upon me you make reference to frequently, this is why.

Point 2. The subject matter is Morgoth not Melkor.

Point 3. I started to provide evidence of intelligence in languages from arachnids, Lepidoptera and humans back to morgoth.

Point 4. I believe that St Augustine remarks are clear and another source of inspiration for Tolkien.

Point 4. radagast mad many languages he understand and communicate in, despite not featuring in the books that much.

Point 5. The language spiders speak in, is like the change of description that has no current word in that language.

Point 6. Morgoth was created from the sum of Tolkien’s experiences, conscious or subconsciously, he may have suppressed memories that when writing he could recall.

Point 7. The vast experiences Tolkien had in trying to express these in one succinct and chronological order, can be seen in the total works and letters he wrote.

Point 8. I am unclear on further points as like the religious input seen there.

Point 9. The axonal and synaptic functions in my left hemisphere, controls speech, comprehension, arithmetic, and writing. This is why I struggle to convey information in a clear and understanding process. I apologise should this reply be unclear, confusing or comprehensible

How did Morgoth create the Dragons? That is the title.Then you mention.

"Melkor had no power to raise a creature’s intelligence from that of an animal to a sapient..."

You assert this, but you have any evidence... do you have something from the books that would support this?

I believe that Melkor is not the topic. I provided evidence that the link is about the authors experiences, then the fact that gandalf can speak to insects, who then can fly at speed to the eagles, they can understand the languages there. Then Bilbo whilst wearing the one ring could understand the spiders, as indeed Morgoth could speak to Ungoliant and understand her, in her need for the jewels, then the ability to question, demand and obey suggests intelligence.

St Augustine believes reason to be a uniquely human cognitive capacity that comprehends deductive truths and logical necessity. Additionally, Augustine adopts a subjective view of time and says that time is nothing in reality but exists only in the human

Augustine believes reason to be a uniquely human cognitive capacity that comprehends deductive truths and logical necessity. Additionally, Augustine adopts a subjective view of time and says that time is nothing in reality but exists only in the human mind's apprehension of reality.

This is another source of material in works of Professor Tolkien. Then the works of his are great and not always included as he wished. Saint Augustine is written in the holy church of Rome bible.

This again radagast could speak to birds and hedgehogs and understanding of the three.

I cannot say the language Ungoliant spoke or heard differs from that of Shelob is different. I think that it didn't. Melkor did create dragons as the references I made stem from old Norse and Germany and it is claimed the source of his material comes from this.

Professor Tolkien was born in the Free State province, South Africa, there there a numerous lizards, the South African word for lizard is smaug.

Old English wyrm ‘reptile, serpent, snake, dragon, creeping insect, worm, maggot’

Old norse ormr ‘serpent, snake, dragon, worm, maggot

Old High German wurm ‘snake, serpent, dragon, worm’

Middle Earth, “the history of Genesis” as the “most obvious fact about the design of The Silmarillion”. Tolkien’s Creation myth withSt Augustine, and to the Church as a whole”. Satan is, of course, a central figure in the story of the Fall of Man in Genesis.

Melkor/Lucifer known as Morgoth/Satan, is described by Tolkien as “the greatest of the Ainur” as Lucifer was the greatest of the archangels. Like Lucifer, Melkor is the embodiment of, and the primal perpetrator of discord and the sin of pride; like Lucifer he is intent on corrupting humanity for his own purposes. Melkor desired “to subdue to his will both Elves and Men, envying the gifts with which Ilúvatar (God) promised to endow them; and he wished himself to have subjects and servants, and to be called Lord, and to be master over other wills”.

In Britain St George slew a dragon, I suspect that Tolkien became aware of that, then compared the South African word Smaug.

This will and can only be resolved in a discussion with professor Tolkien or indeed with his son Christopher. This after all speculation without this conversation having taken place. Although his hidden references can only be investigated.

In truth the theological remains a mystery to his perception of this Roman book and his experiences throughout his life, can only be answered by direct questions to him.

I believe that after the WW1 he was a lieutenant and had to become an Officer's Reserve Corp, what today is the territorial Army or the National Gaurd in America, I think this resulted due to ill health.

Eru Iluvatar, had good forces in his services and bad like Melkor.

When melkor was expelled his power of corrupting life was only in negative/evil ways, the others in the service only improved on his creations.

Morgoth corrupted elves into orcs, once orcs were made a life form by Morgoth it was then possible to corrupt that life form.

Then Mairon, one of the Maia, became Morgoth's principal lieutenant, Sauron. There here he learnt the ways of the force and even the corruption of orcs was made possible once Morgoth made orcs. The changes in orcs sunlight is another corrupt effect of this evil life form, so all life forms created were improved or corrupted over the ages. Here I answer the question you raised regarding snakes vs lizards, which I note is redundant as, Snakes and lizards are grouped together because they share a significant number of physical, reproductive and metabolic characteristics. Snakes, in fact, are considered descendants of lizards. This of course when in time one looks are they are from the same genus and

rather vague in the question as there is no time line to answer this. I realise my Star Wars reference is a different franchise,.

I only said he corrupted/warped life as,

Eru Iluvatar. High god and creator of Ea, the universe and everything that is.

The source of much of Melkor's power is his ambition.

He was jealous of Eru Iluvatar ability to make life, he changed his tune to be different from the Great Music of the Ainur. Melkor the most powerful of the Ainur, though expelled for his disobedience eventually reached Middle Earth after various punishments.

Melkor's ambition makes him seek greater truths and push his mind and power further than any other, but also makes him vain and meglomaniacal at the same time. He was jealous of this as he wasted to create live.

Then he became able to corrupt life that was there already, he had to settle for this as only Eru Iluvatar has this power. I have read the books I have here and this is truth, albeit the condensed answer.

Hi,

All the above are excellent notions, however if you look to newgrange in Ireland and the interactions they had with the Norse and the combination of languages and mythology there some 2,300 bc ago even before the Egyptian pyramids and a thousand years before Stonehenge here there is much written that could offer some inspiration for you. I fine the norse /gaelic interactions amazing as I am from Waterford Ireland and that holds some interesting Viking tales.

Morgoth warped serpents to create were-worms. Then I think he corrupted these into Glaurung was the first fire-breathing Dragon without wings and found them of great use then he increased their destruction by corrupting them again to have wings. Then in time came other dragons and Smaug is one of these. I have only guessed from my readings of Professor Tolkien, this is my answer.

I can only really say on the places I've been and for me it is Ireland ( West Coast ) and Scotland has places too. However the weather is not really in each the best unlike New Zealand.

I'm not denying the hobbit films are bad, the work albeit a trilogy is to long. I live about 12 miles from Merton College where Professor Tolkien worked and nearly everyone knew of him. I readhis books as for that reason and thats why the discrepancies are clearly frustrating for me. I should have read them as the hobbit and LOTR. People of my generation knew of him and his works. Then it's P Jackson's interpretation of this, and here we are only remarking our interpretation versus his. I have just read more than him and I suppose we can agree to the reading to much is not the best way to view any adaptations.

I think the order you read his books really. I head LOTR first, then the unfinished tales of Numerous & Middle Earth, that makes a lot of reference to the Silmarillion, which is was my last until,then as my children came of age I read them The Hobbit, I always considered it to be a children's book due to it's size, in reading it I found it father clumsy as not everything was in it. I read it and did like and the films were ok but I think the order one reads the books influences the reader mind. In the films Radagast appears to much and refers to Ungoliant a giant spider and leaves out Melkor/Morgoth. Then there is no mention of the two trees. However good cgi is all that makes it enjoyable for me.

This is only Peter Jackson's adaptation of the the hobbit trilogy to him is his own, the problem I have along with others I suspect is it varies from our version we formed on our own imagination. I think out of the many deviations that he took and ert out, to me that smeagol was a stoor hobbit, as that fact may explain the grip the ring had upon them. There a 3 branches of hobbits I only mention two as I am unable to recall the others name.

This makes the story interesting for me, albeit the story I have in my head has been tainted as he values money more than details.