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@WizardWarrior1 No. I realize this was probably added just for the film. I am just asking what this vision in the film is meant to represent from his works, since this same scene has visions of the Nazgûl, Balrogs, and Gandalf’s horse
Additionally, Morgoth is said to be gigantic in size and in some cases shadowy and fearsome. This creature definitely conveys that imagery
I personally belief this entity is Morgoth. As it represents the chaos and destruction and many have compared the damage done to Middle-Earth during the War of Wrath as symbolic of the devastating state Europe was in after the First World War. Sauron’s conquests during the Second and Third Ages are thought to be representative of the advances made by the Nazis during the Second World War, and how the free peoples of Europe had to fight back to overcome their tyranny
@MenthilArtisan If it is the devil of Christian mythology, then this would be Morgoth. However, I see what you mean about Sauron’s mask and the fiery nature of this vision does have parallels to his form as the great eye
@Fandyllic Yes I understand he was hallucinating but the idea was that he was hallucinating seeing various creatures of his works, such as the Nazgûl and dragons. Which creature/character from his work do you think was meant to represent?
Could it be Morgoth?
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In the 2019 film of his life, there is a scene set during the Battle of the Somme, where Tolkien views the carnage of the battle and sees a towering figure made out of flames looking down on him.
Who/what did he see? Was this the first or second Dark Lord? Or could it have been a Balrog? Who/what do you think he saw?
For the majority of the works published by Tolkien, and the works of others based off of his, the conflict set during the Second and Third Ages is revolved around resisting the invasions of the Dark Lord Sauron, as he attempts to conquer all of Middle-Earth under his rule. However, for all those who truly know his character, especially after watching the recent season of the Rings of Power, it is obvious to everyone that Sauron’s attempts at unity are oppressive and corrupt, with his intended rule being defined by by utter subjugation and abuse of power.
This has raised an interesting question, however, regarding the authenticity of the general idea. While Sauron may be a brutal tyrant, is uniting Middle-Earth truly a terrible idea. Even without Sauron’s influence, Middle-Earth possesses many flaws. It’s various kingdoms are divided and sometimes implied to be often at war with each other, with many suffering from the same conditions as the Dark Ages of Europe for which much of their culture is based off of. This can largely be attributed to the vast number of rival races in Middle-Earth such as the humans, elves, and dwarves.
Keeping this in mind, would it truly be an unethical idea to unite Middle-Earth, even by force if need be. If there was only one rule, would the conflicts not cease and there be greater capacity to end the other woes plaguing it.
In the Shadow of War game, the wraith of Celebrimbor recognized this question and decided to become the Bright Lord of a united Middle-Earth; though whether he would have been benevolent compared to his dark counterpart is unknown.
Overall, while his rule may be terrible, is Sauron’s goal of a unified Middle-Earth truly terrible?
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No, but I loved a lot of the lore in it. Especially, Celebrimbor being the “bright lord” and Isildur being a nazghul was a great touch in my opinion
@Guy who types stuff 1.1 I wonder why though
Good question, I think it might be both. Many are probably descended straight from him, while others might be from the other Moriondor
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Back to the topic at hand, what do you think Morgoth was the god of before he became the Dark Lord
@Fandyllic I’m sorry if information I posted may hav been wrong. I won’t debate that, but what do you think Morgoth was the god of before he became the Dark Lord?
I only selected that because it was on her page. I thought it may be canon but apparently it is not as it was recently deleted
Ilmarë was the greatest and most powerful of all the Maiar
I have noticed that each of the Valar are the deities of a specific roles of the Earth.
For example, Varda is the goddess of the stars, while Mandos is the god of the dead. However, what was Morgoth the god of prior to his fall? He is now considered a god of evil and chaos, but what was he the god of before his fall from grace?
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Do you feel her actions are justified?