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Also genocide is for humans, orcs are a different species it would be extermination.
So you think it wouldn’t be genocide if you wiped out the Dwarves or the Hobbits?
The Orcs aren’t animals. Even just in The Hobbit and LotR we see that they have personality and culture. Mindless animals couldn’t write a banger like “Goblin Town”. They have as much right to exist as anyone.
The Orcs may not be able to conceive of a way to coexist, but the humans can. Even if the humans have to keep an army on the ready to prevent Orc raids, it is better than wiping out an entire culture.
I can teach a parrot to speak and sing, doesn't make it not an animal. Animals can build, use tools, communicate but they are animals. Orcs are pillaging killers, and we are lucky they don't reproduce sexually or who knows what else they would be doing. Why do I have always be on the recieving end? Why do I have to keep rebuilding my home? Why do I have to keep replanting my savaged crops? Why do I have to keep losing my livestock? Why does my family have to keep being killed by Orc raids? I'm not going into Mordor messing up thier lives, they are coming constantly to my home unprovoked and destroying my people. You mess around enough and eventually you'll find out what happens.
Wasn’t Azog the father of Bolg? I think they do reproduce sexually. If they didn’t it would be much easier. Just leave them alone for a generation and they’ll die out.
There is no evidence that anybody went and taught the Orcs to sing. It’s just something they do. They have a culture. It may not be a particularly pleasant culture, but it’s a culture. When they capture Merry and Pippin, and when Frodo and Sam are in Mordor, we hear them talking. They are unpleasant, but it is clear that they each have individual opinions and personalities. They aren’t a monolith.
It should also be noted that, even if Orcs were animals, it is not okay to wipe out an entire animal species. Even if animals are dangerous to humans, we try to conserve them.
I’m also not sure if anybody has ever actually tried to negotiate a peace with the Orcs when Sauron or Morgoth aren’t around to boss them around. It probably wouldn’t be a peace built on mutual trust, but they might be able to negotiate something along the lines of “Orcs stay in Orc lands and Men stay in Men lands and we won’t kill each-other.” It would be an uneasy peace, and both sides would probably violate it at times, but it would be something to try before jumping straight to genocide,
With or without a Dark Lord they kill and pillage other races. You are defending vicious animals. I don't care if they are singing while they slaughter my children. And the Humans of Middle Earth are not modern Humans and don't have the technology and resources to conserve dangerous animals like we do.
It's really easy to defend monsters when they aren't at your doorstep. They're "culture" is specifically geared towards killing other cultures. By your logic if ancient Aztec were still around we should let them abduct us and sacrifice us.
I would think we should defend ourselves, but I would certainly not be in favor of committing genocide against the Aztecs. I actually find it somewhat concerning that you are now advocating for a genocide against a real life group of humans that once actually existed,
The Orcs will probably keep pillaging if Men just do nothing, but genocide is not the only solution. They can defend their lands from Orcs, and they can create political and economic conditions that make it less rewarding for the Orcs to pillage Men. The Orcs may not be trustworthy, but they may be willing to abide by a deal that they find advantageous to themselves.
The Aztecs messed around and found out and guess who isnt around anymore...
Explain to the farmer whos wife just got eaten infront of him how we are putting socio economic sanctions on orcs to deter future raids. No. We grab a sword and fight the horde.
And I'm not buying off orcs with human resources.
Depends on if you can forgive easily, knowing Yrch are massacred beings.
If I recall, the Aztecs were destroyed by invaders from another continent. It isn’t as if they were going around Spain and killing people. It’s been a while since I’ve taken history classes, so I could be remembering wrong.
As a farmer, it would be easy to think only of yourself and advocate wiping out the Orcs. That is selfish thinking though. From the Orc perspective, they don’t really have their own homeland, and they are driven out of every home that they do establish. I don’t think we’ve ever seen any Orc farmers, so they likely rely on raiding humans in order to eat. If they are given their own land, and their own methods of obtaining resources, they might not be as quick to attack humans. It might not work, but it is worth a try. Nobody is beyond redemption, and you can’t deny every Orc, and all future generations of Orc, their right to be better just because some Orcs sided with Sauron. They may not take the opportunity for redemption, but they deserve the chance,
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