This one is interesting so tell me what you think.
I think something like Eönwë or Sauron
This one is interesting so tell me what you think.
I think something like Eönwë or Sauron
@Fandyllic I understand and know what exited means (the past tense of "exit"), in my folly I made a grammatical mistake. Not spelling. Grammar.
Also, I see what you are thinking about how Tolkien's letters are "Not cannon", but this is about why Gandalf would have been corrupted, a point you keep rebutting in an extremely annoying manner.
Also, you brought up your theory about how Gandalf wouldn't have been corrupted by the One Ring, and that's the whole reason I am still having to talk to you about it.
@Jiriu BoLT = Book of Lost Tales
@StingString you are exasperating... using "exited" instead of "excited" is a SPELLING problem, not a grammar problem.
It's spelled "canon" not "cannon".
Please show me the reply where I said "Gandalf wouldn't have been corrupted by the One Ring". You're confusing me with other people.
FANDYLLIC: I'm not sure how that improves your argument. Being tempted by the one ring tells us nothing about what it would do if actually worn.
ME: Gandalf and Saruman were Maia as well, and they were both tempted by the Ring.
FANDYLLIC: but they didn't put it on like Bombadil, so we don't know how they would have reacted. I'm not sure being tempted means anything. Bombadil didn't care for anything outside his sphere of influence. Gandalf and Saruman did.
JIRIU: That's not my assertion, it is literally stated that the One Ring would corrupt his bearer, no matter who he is, except maybe a Vala. That's the reason Gandalf rejected it when Frodo offered it to him. Tolkien even explain in one of his letter what kind of Dark Lord Gandalf would be if he put on the One Ring and even stated that he would be worst than Sauron.
FANDYLLIC where is it literally stated? Do you understand what it means when you say "literally"?
Also, what you just said has nothing to do with "If Bonbadil was a Maia, he wouldn't have been immune to the One Ring power.", but relates to Gandalf.
See what I mean? Also, I'm pretty sure that "exited" is a grammar error, but it might be spelling.
So you're reading tempted as corrupted... I guess if you get the two confused, I can't argue with you. Have a good day. Also bolding the text doesn't make your argument stronger... just more irritating.
@Fandyllic I wasn't doing that to make the argument stronger, I was doing it to be more clear with what each person was saying. It also seems like you are arguing that Gandalf was going to be corrupted from what I read.
@Fandyllic this is the Global Theory. Just google "global theory tolkien".
And there's alternative suggestion that the "Tolkien canon" is only his published works, i.e. only the LotR and The Hobbit. However, even then, Tolkien's letters are canon, since J.R.R. was alive at the time when he wrote them. The letters, where the information about the lore was presented, just supplement the book in its lacunas.
I hope you understand that the Author just could not tell absolutely everything without enlarging the text drastically.
@Jiriu Tom's lack of any ambition and pride is absolute. That's just why the Ring couldn't hold its sway over him. There is what Tolkien himself said in his Letter 144, which was addressed to Naomi Mitchison: "… but if you have, as it were taken 'a vow of poverty', renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the question of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless."
It was also absolute for Frodo who didn't wished for any of this. Yet... It doesn't disprove that Tom is stronger than Sauron.
@Ar-Zigûr if you're talking about this, Global Theory, then you're not helping yourself. This is not about canon, just a way to analyze Tolkien works. Also, there are always alternate definitions of canon, but the problem with including collections of unpublished works and letters is that, as even Christopher Tolkien admitted, there are contradictions that aren't properly clarified or retconned. A version of canon that includes confusion like this is not a helpful or useful version.
What do you think?