Talk:Gandalf

Name
I know I'm not a member or anything, but Gandalf's real name isn't Stormcrow, that's just a stupid name people call him when they don't want to see him.

Was Gandalf the White really invincible to mortal weapons? I dont remember anything about that and it does not really make much sence. Mankoi 15:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC) In "The Two Towers" at Fangorn Forest when he reappears to Aragorn, Legolas, & Gimli, he states after they make their greetings "that none of you has any weapon that may harm me". Its also important to note that while in the Movie, Aragorn had not received Anduril yet, in the Books it had already been Re-Forged and he ws carrying it when it erupted with flame at their encounter. Also, not previously mentioned, Gandalf the Grey states at the Doors Of Moria while pondering the "Word Of Opening"- "Mellon", "that he once knew all the spells of Elves, Orcs, & Men." This then presumes that there was other Spellcasters in Middle Earth before the Istari arrived and while they were there; and that Gandalf has far more spells than those listed, but as was part of Gandalf's character, he did not immediately resort to Magik to solve his or the parties problems.(216.228.185.108 00:06, July 1, 2012 (UTC)) Korum Emrys. 17:05, 30th June  2012 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. Ive removed it Gimli 23:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Gandalf the White was invincible to mortal weapons as is stated in the refrence book: 'The Lord of the Rings, Weapons and Warfare' so I have added the statement again.--Darth Mantus 20:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC) See Above.


 * Actually, Gandalf was an Istar, which means he is one of the Ainur. As such, he is not able to "die", as long as the World lasts (like all Ainur and like the Quendi--except Luthien and Half-elves that chose mortality). Nonetheless, Istari were suffering the pains and emotions of the Children of Iluvatar (reference to Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien needed). Gandalf could be injured and could have his body "destroyed" (the same for the Quendi). The spirits of the Istari (as well as the Quendi) do not die. But while Quendi can only reappear and integrate a new body in Aman (Heaven) after their "death", Istari can reenter the world after being separated from their body for a while, like Gandalf being "slain" by the Balrog, and reappearing (and also like Sauron being submerged by the cataclism that changed Arda into a sphere at the end of Second Age). So I would not say he is invincible, but he is deathless indeed (doomed to be alive untill the End of the World). --Athyndmion 16:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * i agree. Otherwise, he would not have died and come back- I remember reading that maia and Istar could only be slain by a Vala, and a Vala could never be slain. --81.77.217.161 14:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Length
Am I the only one that thinks this article is rather short? I figure anyone who has read the novels or seen the movies knows who Gandalf is, but over at Wookieepedia the article for main characters, such as Luke Skywalker, are quite long. Duke Starhopper 00:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, it seems that the only real contributions made to this wiki are the countless pictures from the films. I love the films, bu I feel that more articles would make this wiki much better and more informative. Quidon88 16:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The difference, I feel, is that LOTR doesn't have/permit stories to be written and published by other authors currently. Star Wars does, which is what contributes so much of the extra material at Wookieepedia, not particularly active fans(Although I am responding to a comment 2 years old...), or a lack of information on our part. Keeping OWtRTA canon means that at this stage we have to exclude anything not written by the master and his family, for good and ill. For good fanfiction that deserves to be properly edited and published, read the main story cycle of The Mellon Chronicles.MyrddinDerwydd 06:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

quotes
There are a lot of great quotes we can use for Gandalf but wich ones should we use and were in the article, here are some I think are good. - User:Dwarves


 * So do I, and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.|
 * Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.
 * There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.
 * The battle of Helm's Deep is over; the battle for Middle Earth is about to begin.
 * I am Gandalf the White. And I come back to you now - at the turn of the tide.


 * These are all excellent. Perhaps there should be a quotes section in the article itself as well as the quote at the top Gimli 13:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Vanalised?
there are parts of this article that doesn't make sense, most notably, according to this, Gandalf says to the Fellowship just as he is dragged into the abyss by the Balrog "Fly, your fools"? Fly, surely it should say run?

No,he actually said "Fly." 04:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes,fly in the sense of fleeing.Sochwa 23:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That is a good quote, please do not ruin one of my favorite character's quotes. He said, "Fly, fools, fly!" And then he disappeared into the abyss. 19:36, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * he says "fly you fools"

Books vs Movies
In the article some parts are taken from the movies which contradicts the books. Pippen did not light the beacons for exemple. What is the policy about contradicions like this? Scafloc 17:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I dont often edit here, I usually go to Tolkien Gateway, but I would say throw up a noncanon tag when anything from other media contradicts anything from the books.--Quidon88 20:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, the witch-king never challenged Gandalf and DID NOT break his staff. Actually, in the books, Gandalf challenged and threatened the witch-king at the Gates on Minas Tirith until Rohan intervened

Abracadbra
Where does the notion of Gandalf being unable to open doors come from? Is there any citation for it or is this simple vandalism? Sochwa 23:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

At first, Gandalf is unable to open the doors to Moria, but then he figures it out. That may have originated from that. 19:39, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Reborn?
What is this nonsense under "Different Titles":

Fatidiot1234 19:24, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Gandalf is killed by the Balrog and is reborn as Gandalf the White. Gandalf was never "The Brown" nor The Blue, he was the Grey, and more recently, the White, surpassing and unseating Saruman when he officially shatters his Staff. 15:21, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for dealing with this. Fatidiot1234 17:25, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome, No one messes with my favorite character anyway. 18:03, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

No these were different wizards-The Brown being Radagast, The Blue Wizards being Alatar & Pallando

The 5 Istari Wizards of Middle Earth

Saruman the White

Gandalf the Grey

Radagrast the Brown

Alatar the Blue

Pallando the Blue

Alatar the Blue & Pallando The Blue were said to have gone to the East shortly after their arrival in Middle Earth with Saruman; To help rally the Races Of the East & The South Against Sauron; and possibly taught Magik & other Skills to those in Rhun, the Far Harad and Beyond...There is No Reason to believe that either of them were Evil in any sense, but like Radagast they had different priorities when they arrived and found other purposes in which to put their respective talents. While Gandalf the Grey was considered the least of the Istari at their arrival according to Cirdan the Shipwright, he, Gandalf would one day be the greatest of them. " in Gandalf his great wisdom and humble nature. Welcoming him with reverence, Cirdan bestowed upon the wizard the Third Elven Ring, Narya, also known as the Ring of Fire. He told Gandalf:

"Great labours and perils lie before you, and lest your task prove too great and wearisome, take this Ring for your aid and comfort. It was entrusted to me only to keep secret, and here upon the West-shores it is idle; but I deem that in days ere long to come it should be in nobler hands than mine, that may wield it for the kindling of all hearts to courage."Though Gandalf would keep the Ring secret until the end, Saruman somehow became aware of Cirdan's gift and it sparked a jealousy and resentment that the White Wizard would always harbor against him. Narya likely assisted Gandalf in his talent for creating the delightful marvel of his fireworks displays. The wizard's warm and eager spirit was also enhanced by the Ring of Fire and, as an enemy of Sauron, he contrasted "the fire that devours and wastes with the fire that kindles, and succours in wanhope and distress".

Both Alatar & Pallando were more powerful then Gandalf at their arrival, but of their powers we have little idea except for those talents which all of The Istari seem to have in common. Also, Gandalf was probably the only one with specific talents developed in the Element Fire so well developed; most likely due to his possession of Narya, the Ring Of Fire, the gift of Cirdan at the Arrival Of The Istari whe it was gifted. It is likely though that each did have an area of expertise though so while Radagast dealt in magic related to Nature and Animals, Gandalf to Fire and Protection/Defense, its just as likely that Pallando & Alatar had their own specialties as did Saruman. However, some of this changes in a text written in the last year or two of Tolkien's life (published in The Peoples of Middle-earth) of 1968. They are said to have arrived not in the Third Age, but in the Second, around the year 1600, the time of the Forging of the One Ring. Their mission was to travel to the east and weaken the forces of Sauron. And it is here said that the Wizards far from failed; rather, they had a pivotal role in the victories of the West at the end of both the Second and the Third Ages. At the same time, Tolkien considered the possibility that Glorfindel arrived back in Middle-earth along with the Blue Wizards. On this later, more positive interpretation, the Blue Wizards may have been as successful as Gandalf, just located in a different theatre beyond the borders of the map in The Lord of the Rings. [6] (216.228.185.108 00:28, July 1, 2012 (UTC)) (216.228.185.108 16:13, July 2, 2012 (UTC) Korum Emrys)216.228.185.108 16:41, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Does gandalf have kids
when i was listening to the full trilogy audio book i thought i heard in gandalf's letter " lean tall dark my son calls him strider" so does that mean he has kids or or the voices so dam quiet i can barley hear them

it actually says "by some called strider"

Promo Image as infobox image
I'm not a regular contributer to the LotR Wikia, but on other Wikias I edit on, promo picks aren't generally used as images on pages, as they look unprofessional. For this reason I have changed the image back to the one it was before. --Ima Wiz Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 18:04, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Gandalf's age
Gandalf was thousands of years old.

"300 lives of men i've walked this earth and now i have no time" —The preceding unsigned comment was summoned by 66.203.162.9 (talk • contribs).


 * I don't know what he says exactly in the english movie, but the german translation means "300 generations". -- Weas-El ✉  19:36, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe "300 lives of men"? -- Weas-El ✉  19:38, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatever he says, in the books it says he is thousands of years old, so that is what matters. LurkerLordB 21:39, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it is important he says this earth. He obviously doesn't mean Arda but Middle-earth and that wouldn't include Valinor where he lived before he came as one of the Istari to Middle-earth. (--Jo_Took) Well said and Agreed!!!   While in the stables in Rohan he says is " 300 Lifetimes of Men I Have walked this earth and Now, I have no Time!"  He arrived in S.A. 1600- The Date Of The Forging Of The One Ring & The Rings Of Power,  & was present until the beginning of the Fourth Age, so per both The Silmarillion and The Trilogy, Tolkien is specific in this. Over 2000 years he's in Middle Earth we know for sure, but less time there than Elrond or Galadriel were. (216.228.185.108 00:38, July 1, 2012 (UTC)) Korum Emrys 17:38 30 June 2012 Tolkien's Elves were Immortal, only dying in battle, or when the weariness of life over took them. They were immune to diseases of any kind and neither their limbs nor mental faculties never weakened once fully matured. From visual appearances they aged in appearance only 1 year for every 100 they lived after reaching maturity, usually at around 200 yrs old. (216.228.185.108 15:57, July 2, 2012 (UTC) Korum Emrys)

Actor's that played him
In The Two Towers when he became Gandalf the White, he was Voiced by Christopher Lee, to throw people off that it was him should he be listed under actor as actor: Christopher Lee (Voice only)? 156.33.195.254 18:10, June 9, 2012 (UTC)